El Scorchio
1:21 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Alex V 1:17
What you've said makes sense and I get what you think about responsibility and method for blooding young players, but you still haven't answered the question.
Do you think Cullen and Burke are ready to play regularly in the first team?
|
Willtell
1:20 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
We've seen Cullen have a middling game against 3rd level opposition and all of a sudden he's worthy of first team football?
Good job most of you are only fans and have nothing to do with team selection...
|
Rossal
1:18 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Cullen starting cant be worse than what Kouyate has been the last few months. Im genuinly serious about that too, he is a first team player but he is useless. Id look to integrate Cullen into the first team between now and the end of the season then decide on his future in the summer based on the remaining games.
|
Alex V
1:17 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
El Scorchio 1:08 Mon Jan 8
It just takes a bit of planning. You can't throw young players to the wolves. You can't play them all at once. I think you plan around the fixtures to work out where you can more safely expose a young player. The recent fixture pile-up for example would be a great place to use a younger player while actually helping the fitness of senior players - we might not have so many injuries if that was done better.
And then when young players perform the coach has a better chance of working when and how they can become regulars. You want them not to stagnate but you don't want to expose them too much either. Bilic's answer was the coward's way out - shove them out on loan so you don't have to make any tough decisions at all (and to the detriment of the youth's progress). Hopefully Moyes will have a more progressive approach.
Of course this season the die is cast - we're scrapping for every last point, so the only question right now is whether a young player is a better bet than the senior players who are under-performing.
|
El Scorchio
1:08 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Alex- you've managed to totally not answer the question you c+p'd there!
In and around the matchday squad is markedly different to playing regularly. I agree they should be in and around the squad but in no way do I think they are ready to be relied on to make meaningful contributions at this point in time, unlike Rice.
The odd five minutes here and there, yes. Starting games? No way.
|
Alex V
1:02 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
>>> Do you really think Burke or Cullen are ready to play regularly this season in the premier league?
Based on previous performances and pre-season I felt that both were ready to be in and around the matchday squad this season. Cullen imo was one of our better players in pre-season. I think he was slightly mis-played in the cup game - as far as I know he didn't really play a foraging attacking role on either of his loan spells, and he looked good as a midfield anchor in pre-season. Obviously Burke is a centre-back not a wing-back.
|
ironsofcanada
12:59 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Oxford was playing top flight football late last month.
Hoping and assuming that kicking the turf does not keep him out, he should start at the weekend.
|
Geoffrey Pike
12:56 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Rice is a given and has already made it for me. Can’t judge Burke and Cullen on one cup tie against a league one team up for a one off ‘cup final’. They are neither closer nor further away from making it, all I can say is they both played better and with more spirit than some of our ‘seasoned premier professionals’.
|
El Scorchio
12:56 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Yes- it's really important Oxford gets a run in the team. It seems like it's becoming now or never for him, despite his young age. It feels like either we play him, or he's going to kick up a stink and demand to leave.
I hope his time in Germany has ironed out his alleged attitude a little bit.
|
ironsofcanada
12:50 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Swiss. 12:49 Mon Jan 8
He's back now.
|
Swiss.
12:49 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Rice is of course. Not too sure yet about Burke and Cullen. Looks like they are going back to Bolton.
I think Oxford will make it and we need to get um back next season.
|
El Scorchio
12:39 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Iron2010 9:18
Do you really think Burke or Cullen are ready to play regularly this season in the premier league? I definitely don't. (I'd say Cullen is more ready of the two.)
Rice is, though.
|
Tomshardware
11:59 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
The replay is an ideal game to give the younger players another chance.
|
Eggbert Nobacon
11:32 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Mex Martillo 11:34 Sun Jan 7
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
Judging by today, only Rice will make it.
I especially do not understand that Haksabanovic. I thought he was bought as a creative midfielder for the 1st team, he is in the 1st team squad. Today we were crying out for a creative midfielder and he did not get a look in.
What does that say about him?
He played against Bolton in the League Cup adn was very evry good
however he played wide not as a creative CM or number 10
Holland would almost certainly have had a chance by now if not for his injury
|
ironsofcanada
11:12 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
It looks like Oxford just played almost three full games for Gladbach, one at right back and two at CM.
They gave up one goal each game. and scored three in the second, thereby wining one and losing two.
Read something that the deal would have been permanent if he had played a certain number of games. Maybe why he didn't get a chance before.
Some hope if he can slot in at that level. So some possible relief in the middle of the park, though at his best he is never going to be the super creative type. He should hopeful provide some movement and basic passing to go along with defensive duties.
|
Rossal
10:43 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Rice - Yes
Oxford - Yes
Cullen - Yes
Thats all on the basis that they can equal or better the performances of the first teamers in their position.
Quina ive not been overly impressed with but he is still very young and technically he looks sound. Holland looks promising but not seen much first team action yet, same with Martinez.
Burke i think will move on, Rice and Oxford are better.
Dissapointed Haksabanovic has not seen more game time, especially yesterday when we were crying out for some creativity in midfield
Samuelsen, Diagana, Makasi etc i expect to be released in due course
|
ironsofcanada
9:49 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Interesting move to play Cullen and Burke, since it now means Bolton or here for the rest of the season.
At least they got a full game's evaluation by the manager.
We could keep one or both for a while longer and then send them back, I guess.
Bolton manager says he expects them back for next weekend, not sure how much of that is hopeful.
|
ironsofcanada
9:49 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Interesting move to play Cullen and Burke, since it now means Bolton or here for the rest of the season.
At least they got a full game's evaluation by the manager.
We could keep one or both for a while longer and then send them back, I guess.
Bolton manager says he expects them back for next weekend, not sure how much of that is hopeful.
|
ironsofcanada
9:49 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Interesting move to play Cullen and Burke, since it now means Bolton or here for the rest of the season.
At least they got a full game's evaluation by the manager.
We could keep one or both for a while longer and then send them back, I guess.
Bolton manager says he expects them back for next weekend, not sure how much of that is hopeful.
|
. .
3:55 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Not a Lot of Youngsters will make it.
They don't have the passion and feel they have already made it by signing for a Premier League Team.
They Don't play many competitive Matches. Only Chelsea and Leicester U21 have made it to the 3rd round of the Checkatrade Cup (This Cup is where I feel that the Youngsters could prove themselves)
Sullivan should of bought his Son a League 1 Club and shipped the Kids off there.
There are always a couple of exceptions This Year Looks Like Rice and maybe Cullen
|
threesixty
2:28 Mon Jan 8
Re: Are our youngsters good enough?
|
Ultimately football is about styles of play as well as effort and graft and our youth are not set up for scrappy games against shrewbury town. It doesn't prove anything about their ability or whether they can make it in the top level.
The game at the top level is so different I don't know what you would learn about a creative player like Haksabanovic etc... The top tier play on the floor pretty much all the time, speed is everything, and tackling is frowned upon. Even more so in european games.
So I'm not really surprised at our performance today and I'm not sure I really care. It was just our frail and slight players getting beaten up for 90 minutes.
It would have been different with Caroll and Arnie as they can actually beat people up too. But why risk them in these type of clashes?
|
| 
